The VGF 2 pricing thread

What will 200 points at VGF2 look like at launch, with incentives included?

  • Same price as Riviera, Same point chart as VGF1

    Votes: 34 14.6%
  • Same price as Riviera, higher point chart than VGF1

    Votes: 14 6.0%
  • Same price as Riviera, lower point chart than VGF1

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • A little higher than Riviera ($1-$25 more), same point chart as VGF1

    Votes: 74 31.8%
  • A little higher than Riviera ($1-$25 more), higher point chart than VGF1

    Votes: 50 21.5%
  • A little higher than Riviera ($1-$25 more), lower point chart than VGF1

    Votes: 6 2.6%
  • A lot higher than Riviera ($26+ more), same point chart as VGF1

    Votes: 39 16.7%
  • A lot higher than Riviera ($26+ more), higher point chart than VGF1

    Votes: 14 6.0%
  • A lot higher than Riviera ($26+ more), lower point chart than VGF1

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • Total voters
    233
  • Poll closed .

KAT4DISNEY

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room layout -- VGF1 has two shower areas and a kitchenette. I do not see the hotel room having this same configuration given that they are rehabbing the rooms so quickly from hotel to DVC. I could be wrong -- but I don't know how they could possibly gut that whole building and be done that fast.
If they do 2 queen beds though or perhaps a King and a queen murphy bed plus a single murphy bed with either of those that could be of more importance than the bathroom config. Difficult to say what will happen. If they have better bed configs I think I'd be swayed towards that myself pretty easily.
 

mustinjourney

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If they do 2 queen beds though or perhaps a King and a queen murphy bed plus a single murphy bed with either of those that could be of more importance than the bathroom config. Difficult to say what will happen. If they have better bed configs I think I'd be swayed towards that myself pretty easily.
King with queen murphy and the fold down bed under TV would be ideal for 5 IMHO. The kitchenette isn't as big of a deal to me as the extra shower area...but I would miss not having the microwave. Our kids eat a lot of microwave stuff during disney vacations.
 

KAT4DISNEY

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King with queen murphy and the fold down bed under TV would be ideal for 5 IMHO. The kitchenette isn't as big of a deal to me as the extra shower area...but I would miss not having the microwave. Our kids eat a lot of microwave stuff during disney vacations.
A microwave only requires an outlet and some place to set it. I have no doubt that will be in the room along with a coffee maker and toaster. Just don't know about the same bathroom layout as in the existing VGF studios.
 

emmymac17

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Jan 12, 2020
A microwave only requires an outlet and some place to set it. I have no doubt that will be in the room along with a coffee maker and toaster. Just don't know about the same bathroom layout as in the existing VGF studios.
Agree - bed configs (especially a KING in a studio!!) would be awesome. I don't care about extra shower areas tbh. Assuming the regular hotel rooms have the mini fridge? The addition would be the microwave and/or toaster? That seems easy enough to squeeze in
 

Paul Stupin

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May 8, 2016
room layout -- VGF1 has two shower areas and a kitchenette. I do not see the hotel room having this same configuration given that they are rehabbing the rooms so quickly from hotel to DVC. I could be wrong -- but I don't know how they could possibly gut that whole building and be done that fast.
I’m wondering if they’ll open the building in waves, one redone floor at a time. But I don’t think we’ll see any surprise amenities that might be too pricey for Disney to include in the remodel. This is not going to be on par with the Riviera, or even in the same universe of “deluxe.” And it’s hard for me to conceive of it being sold at a premium.
 

davidl81

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Aug 12, 2008
I’m wondering if they’ll open the building in waves, one redone floor at a time. But I don’t think we’ll see any surprise amenities that might be too pricey for Disney to include in the remodel. This is not going to be on par with the Riviera, or even in the same universe of “deluxe.” And it’s hard for me to conceive of it being sold at a premium.
I would expect to see something similar to the redone rooms at SSR, maybe a tad bit nicer. That being said those new SSR rooms are very nice.
 

KAT4DISNEY

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Mar 17, 2008
Though I’ve disagreed with you previously, your logic and DVC knowledgeability has won me over. I think you‘re exactly right. And I want to add on about 300 direct VGF points, not as much because they’re direct but more because my March UY is impossible to find resale anyway, and what’s out there is just priced too high anyway. So I’m hoping for as low a price point as posssible!
Well, in a few months we'll see how that historical perspective holds up! lol
 

TCRAIG

Member Since 2010 SS/OKW/HH/BCV/WLV/BLT/GF
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Jun 17, 2011
I predict that the points for the new studios at VGF2 will be a bit higher than Std View and a bit lower than Lake View…as long as I can still get my week in a 1BR - it’s all a moot point for me…
 

sethschroeder

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Feb 24, 2013
2 real beds & the murphy would be awesome.... With more sq ft than VGF1, this should be an easy lay up
The first 6 person studio is a slam dunk for money to be rolling in. They could then also price it closer to the 1BR prices to drive up the total number of points sold.
 

emmymac17

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The first 6 person studio is a slam dunk for money to be rolling in. They could then also price it closer to the 1BR prices to drive up the total number of points sold.
6 people in a studio..for a week...eeeks...I guess people would squeeze to save points or if you had 4 little little kids. I read that proposal as two real beds and the twin murphy that has been popular in recent refurbs
 

davidl81

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The first 6 person studio is a slam dunk for money to be rolling in. They could then also price it closer to the 1BR prices to drive up the total number of points sold.
First of all 6 people is a studio sounds horrible. But even if that was the case cramming one more person into a studio is not going to come close to being realistic to ask to double the points per night (VGF 1BR are double the studios). Could they add 2-3 more points per night, maybe?
 

sethschroeder

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Feb 24, 2013
First of all 6 people is a studio sounds horrible. But even if that was the case cramming one more person into a studio is not going to come close to being realistic to ask to double the points per night (VGF 1BR are double the studios). Could they add 2-3 more points per night, maybe?
So not the same cost as a 1BR no.

So just an example right now in the fall its 132/162 Studio vs 289/345 1BR. I think many would say the Lake Views from the old building are superior so are you going to be able to demand the higher point chart for lesser Lake Views even with a little more sq/ft?

Instead you can price these rooms all out at 200 for the week. It gets you an extra person, it is bigger, and you eliminate the view categories.

Plus you end up with 4 sleeping surface (2 queen beds, 1 fold down murphy under TV, 1 conversion daybed/ something similar). On top of that you make these connecting rooms possibly and you end up with a 400 point double room that sleeps 12 with 8 sleeping surfaces.

Not saying they will do it though just interesting thought.
 

Nabas

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May 5, 2013
When VGF opened to members for $145pp, DVD had by far its biggest month ever, selling more than 364,000 WDW DVC resort points in July 2013. This included 226,000 VGF points, which is the most points DVD sold at one resort in one month in more than 10 years.

For comparison, the second biggest month was 267,000 points, the first month RIV sales started. (CCV sold 166,000 points, while RIV sold 59,000 points.)

Will DVD anticipate big numbers for the first month of VGF2 sales and price accordingly?
 

DianaMB333

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Jan 27, 2020
Some questions please..
A) what is the expected date for VGF2 be available for sale?

B) if I own in other resorts (direct purchase), buying at VGF2 would be considered as a new membership ID therefore I’d have to go with the 150minimum?

C) If I buy a resale VGF today, then when VGf2 becomes available, what benefits could get me buying direct (add on or the full 150pts)…?

I assume that VGF will have access to the new studios, is that assumption correct?

thanks
 

davidl81

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Aug 12, 2008
A) No firm on sale date as the opening is just “summer 2022”. It’s likely as early as November/Dec 2020, or as late as maybe March/April 2022. My guide thinks early next year.
B) You will not get a new membership ID as long as your new direct purchase matches your current use year. It has not been stated the minimum purchase for VGF2 to current owners, but it’s likely a 50 point minimum
C). If you have already bought direct (and at least the minimum amount you needed for a blue card at the time of purchase) then from a benefit standpoint you won’t lose anything buying resale right now as opposed to direct. There is a lot of debate on this board about what the direct prices will end up being. Seems like the direct price could range anywhere from $195 a point to $255+ a point. Very good arguments on both sides of this. Resale seems to be in the high 180s right now, but very limited inventory so matching use years may be difficult.
D). Yes any VGF owner will have 11 month access to the new studios.
 

kboo

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Mar 10, 2014
I sincerely hope the point charts for the new "resort studio" rooms will be 1 or 2 points less per night than the current studios. If they are they same or higher -- I have a bad feeling that the VGF1 studios will end up being preferred, which will end up putting even more pressure on getting those studios than before.

The best way to alleviate the studio pressure at VGF1 is to make the new VGF2 studios more attractive to owners. Otherwise, we're going to end up with a mess on our hands.
I could see a way to make VGF2 studios more attractive, for sure... whether that sells, and is attractive at whatever price point, remains to be seen. There may be some points rebalancing for the next few years ...

1) vgf2 is unknown, and people who own VGF probably know what they love and are afraid to lose what they paid a pretty penny for if availability gets rough
2) the standard monorail view/proximity is quite nice and I think doesn't translate to the new building so much (I may be wrong, I've only stayed dvc)
3) the dvc building is a bit secluded off to the side, and has it's own nice lobby, which I think people are fond of and may not be recreated in big pine
4) the point allocation of vgf2 is unknown, and people bought contracts based on use/availability at vgf1
I could see them adding something different to VGF2 to make those studios at least as attractive, or maybe attractive to different groups of owners. Many of the views from that building are lagoon view, with some park views - even if they don't make it a separate category, it might be appealing to enter that "lottery." The GF outbuildings are considerably closer to the bus stop and the QS and the big pool, and there might be the possibility of a smaller boutique-y lobby there as well.

Spot on. Number 1 is what scares me some for lack of a better word. I think its the way they will go - "resort studio", "pool view" "theme park view" etc, etc, and that is going to strain the studios in the existing building more. I think a good portion of "old" vgf owners may end up buying small add ons, because they are having even more trouble getting the old "stardard view" rooms they had been getting in the past.

It will be interesting to see sales data when its available, but my guess is the average number of points purchased will be lower because this is going to cause a lot more 25 point add ons than normal.
As a person who usually books 1-br anyway, I am wondering whether this will make 1br easier to get. We've really only had trouble at Christmas, 8am at 11 mo. So we shall see if this changes availability for other rooms.


2 real beds & the murphy would be awesome.... With more sq ft than VGF1, this should be an easy lay up
On top of that you make these connecting rooms possibly
Even if not 2 real beds, a queen, queen murphy, and twin murphy (aka Riviera studio) with the ability to book a connecting studio?! HUGE win for large families or families staying together. This was the biggest complaint about Poly - no 1br or reasonably priced 2br. I could see booking 2 adjoining studios if we were 2 families of older kids who wanted to be in the parks most of the day - you wouldn't need a kitchen and you could sleep up to 10 for around the price of a 1br, or even somewhere less than a 2br.
 

sethschroeder

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Even if not 2 real beds, a queen, queen murphy, and twin murphy (aka Riviera studio) with the ability to book a connecting studio?! HUGE win for large families or families staying together. This was the biggest complaint about Poly - no 1br or reasonably priced 2br. I could see booking 2 adjoining studios if we were 2 families of older kids who wanted to be in the parks most of the day - you wouldn't need a kitchen and you could sleep up to 10 for around the price of a 1br, or even somewhere less than a 2br.
I sure hope as well they update the system unlike POLY where you can book a connecting studio right in the system as well. Not a request but a guarantee for a certain % of rooms and then after that its a request but not guaranteed.
 

kboo

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I sure hope as well they update the system unlike POLY where you can book a connecting studio right in the system as well. Not a request but a guarantee for a certain % of rooms and then after that its a request but not guaranteed.
Yes! I was all, "this doesn't affect me except maybe make it easier to get a 1br," but then realized while typing that this might be nice when we someday will travel with another family. Also some people might not want the craziness of the feature pool and splash area.
 

KAT4DISNEY

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I sure hope as well they update the system unlike POLY where you can book a connecting studio right in the system as well. Not a request but a guarantee for a certain % of rooms and then after that its a request but not guaranteed.
There's no ability to book guaranteed connecting studios at PVB. Or do you mean on the hotel side?
 

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